De Valera Reply to Lloyd George

Introduction from Chronology

De Valera replies to Lloyd George on the British July 20th proposals saying inter alia that “To the extent that it [the draft proposals] implies a recognition of Ireland’s separate nationhood and her right to self-determination, we appreciate it and accept it”, however “a claim [is] advanced by your Government to an interference in our affairs, and to a control which we cannot admit”.

The issues raised in the British July 20th proposals and in de Valera’s reply of August 10th were to become the issues argued over in detail over the two months after the negotiations started on October 11th. 

 

More Detail

De Valera goes to state that “The Irish people’s belief is that the national destiny can best be realised in political detachment, free from Imperialistic entanglements”.  He says that “plebiscite after plebiscite” had demonstrated the Irish people’s preference for political detachment and “the degree to which any other line of policy deviates from it must be taken as a measure of the extent to which external pressure is operative and violence is being done to the wishes of the majority”.

He states further that “‘Dominion’ status for Ireland everyone who knows the conditions [of the British July 20th proposals] knows to be illusory”.  However, he continues that the Irish government is prepared to negotiate treaty of association with the Commonwealth if “such association would secure for it the allegiance of the present dissenting minority, to meet whose sentiments alone this step could be contemplated”.  He also said that issues such as trade, armaments etc. could be freely negotiated and that the question of Ireland’s share of the UK’s debt could be determined by a board of arbitrators.

With regard to Northern Ireland, he says “As regards the question at issue between the political minority [unionists] and the great majority of the Irish people, that must remain a question for the Irish themselves to settle.  We cannot admit the right of the British Government to mutilate our country, Ireland, either in its own interests or at the call of any section of our population”.  He agreed that force would not solve the problem [of Northern Ireland] and was willing to submit to it to external arbitration if North and South could not agree on unity." 

Full text of letter given in Macardle.

 

Comment on de Valera’s Letter

In his commentary on de Valera’s letter, Boyce takes issue with some of de Valera’s letter.  For example, he quotes the Daily News (from August 27th 1921) saying that “the present world of great Empires” made complete independence “impracticable and unattainable” and also “meaningless political suicide”. 

It is probably useful to point out that Boyce’s book was published in 1972, when both the UK and Ireland were applying to join the European Common Market (now the European Union) when concepts such as ‘pooled sovereignty’ were gaining widespread acceptance.  However, from today’s (2023) viewpoint, it is not people in Ireland but the Brexiteers in the UK (and, in particular, the right wing of the British Conservative Party) who would echo de Valera’s words that “The Irish people’s belief is that the national destiny can best be realised in political detachment” except, of course, they would substitute English for Irish.  In 1921, the right wing of the Conservative Party in Britain (the ‘Die-Hards’ or ‘Morning Post brigade’) were the group in British society most opposed to any accommodation with Irish nationalism.

Boyce also quotes a Rev B. C. Waller as writing (on August 27th 1921) that “in modern times you cannot have complete independence without losing much which is of the greatest value … One cannot help feeling the break-up of the Austria-Hungary will soon be regarded as a mistake even by the secession states”.  Without delving too deeply into the nature of national sovereignty, two rejoinders can be made to what the Rev Waller said.  One, despite some tragic history among the ‘secession states’ of the Austrian-Hungarian Empire, it is difficult to adduce evidence that many citizens of these countries would choose to reunite with the old Empire either at the time or since.  Two, defenders of Empire often seem not to be able to understand the desire for independence by of people in ‘subject’ nations or colonies.  This lack of understanding is undoubtedly based, in large part, on self-interest but also, in part, on a sense of racist superiority among people in the imperialist country over the people in their colonies.  For example, in March 1937, Churchill declared that “I do not admit, for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America, or the black people of Australia.  I do not admit that a wrong has been done to those people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher grade race … has come in and taken their place” (Mount (2019), pg 22). It would not take a great leap of the imagination to envisage Churchill substituting ‘native Irish’ for the ‘Red Indians of America’ or the ‘black people of Australia’.   (Later in his article, Mount adds that Churchill “was a violent and persistent Islamophobe”.)

 

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