The Critical 3pm Meeting of December 5th

 

Introduction from Chronology

At 3.00pm, an Irish delegation of Griffith, Collins and Barton meet a British delegation of Llyod George, Chamberlain, Birkenhead and (for part of the time) Churchill in Downing St.  This was an historical meeting and has had much written about it.

 

Llyod George presented the Irish delegation with an ultimatum to either sign the Treaty or negotiations would come to an end.  He said that if they refused to sign then the delegates would have to take responsibility for the war that would follow.

More Detail

There are a number of different accounts of this meeting written by participants.  On the British side, there are accounts from Llyod George, Churchill, Chamberlain and Birkenhead.  On the Irish side, there are accounts from Barton (written at Griffith’s request the following day), Collins and a short account from Griffith.  Barton also gave an account during the Dáil debates on the Treaty – see Dec-19-21/1.)  According to Pakenham “on essentials the various accounts harmonise remarkedly, and on the only point which has given arise to serious controversy, whether or not Llyod George threatened Ireland with immediate war, they display agreeable unanimity.” (Pakenham goes on to say in a footnote “Chamberlain and Churchill describe the threat of war at some length.  Llyod George does not mention it directly, but his account hardly makes sense except on the supposition that it was delivered.”)

 

Llyod George confronted Griffith and said that he had agreed to the Ulster clauses in the proposed Treaty and produced Tom Jones’s memorandum of their meeting on November 12th – see Nov-12-21/3. (It would seem that Collins and Barton did not know about this agreement between Llyod George and Griffith.)  Griffith said that “it was not unreasonable for us to require that Craig should reply before we refused or accepted the proposals”.  However, he also said “If you stand by the Boundary Commission, I stand by you” and continued “I said I would not let you down on that, and I won’t”.  

 

There was then discussion on the oath, with the British accepting a slightly revised version which was embodied in the Treaty.  There were also small concessions to the Irish side on defence and then Llyod George made a major concession by abandoning free trade and to “agree provisionally that there should be freedom on both sides to impose any tariffs either liked” subject to the acceptance of the document as a whole.  (This would have especially appealed to Griffith as the author of Sinn Féin’s protectionist policies.)

 

When the topic under discussion returned to Ulster, Griffith made, what Fanning has described as, a monumental mistake.  He agreed that he personally would sign the Treaty whether Craig accepted or not.  Assured of Griffith’s signature, Llyod George put an ultimatum to the Irish delegation that either they signed the Treaty that day by 10pm and promised to recommend the Treaty to the Dáil or there would be no agreement. He said that it was now a matter of peace or war.  He also said that any delegate who refused to sign was taking responsibility for the war - an “immediate and terrible war” that would follow “within three days” unless the agreement was signed by all of the Irish delegates. 

 

 

This ultimatum was given in the form of two letters he would send to Craig. The first was a covering letter to go with the Treaty saying that the Irish delegates had signed the Treaty and were recommending its acceptance to Dáil Éireann; the second said that the negotiations had collapsed.  Llyod George continued that “If I send this [second] letter it is war, and war within three days”.

 

In the letter saying that the Irish delegation were recommending the Treaty, Llyod George confirmed Northern Ireland’s right to opt out but also said that the price of such a decision would be that Northern Ireland had to “share in the rights and obligations of Great Britain”.

 

There was one last concession – the British agreed to reduce the time in which Northern Ireland would opt in or opt out of the Irish Free State from twelve months to one month. 

 

The Irish delegation said that they needed time to discuss this ultimatum and they retired to Hans Place. 

 

 

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