1st meeting of Conference starts at 11.00am on Tuesday 11th October in 10 Downing Street, London

Introduction from Chronology

Large crowds assembled at the entrance to Downing St.

The two delegations sat across the table from each other.  The Irish delegation was Arthur Griffith, Michael Collins, Robert Barton, George Gavan Duffy and Eamon Duggan. They were accompanied by their two secretaries: Erskine Childers and John Chartres.

The British delegation was David Llyod George, Austen Chamberlain, F. E. Smith (Birkenhead), Winston Churchill, Hamar Greenwood, Lamar Worthington Evans and Gordon Hewart.  They were accompanied by their two secretaries: Lionel Curtis and Tom Jones.

 

More Detail and Background

1.    Discussions on First Day

At the first plenary meeting, Llyod George started by saying that the British wanted to make peace but there were limitations beyond which they could not go. [Pakenham points out that this statement “transferred [the discussion] from the sphere of morals, where it was thought [by the British] that the Irish would like to concentrate it” to the sphere of practical politics where “both sides were to join in the common task of reconciling divergent opinions. And the threat of force was hidden a long way back” (Pakenham (1967), pg 121).] 

Griffith replied “England’s policy in the past has been to treat Ireland as a conquered and subject country. If there is a change in the policy of subordinating Ireland to English interests, then there appears to be possibility of peace” (Pakenham (1967), pg 121). 

As Pakenham notes that there were five heads for discussion; (1) Trade; (2) Finance; (3) Defense; (4) Ulster and (5) Crown and Empire.  He notes that it was the last two issues which “presented possibilities of insoluble conflict”.

They then discussed the British proposals of July 20th. In particular, they discussed two of the five heads for discussion - defence (with a focus on the defence limitations placed on the British offer of Dominion status – see Jul-20-21/2) and trade (with Llyod George arguing for free trade between the two countries).  The first plenary session ended at 12.35pm.

The second plenary session started at 4.00pm (later on October 11th).   They again discussed trade and it was agreed that the Irish would submit counter proposals.  Also subcommittees were set up on defence, financial relations and observation of the truce (including the treatment of prisoners).

 

2.    Griffith’s Report on First Day

That night Griffith wrote to de Valera.  Overall, he was optimistic saying “The meeting of to-day has left me with the impression that the English Government is anxious for peace” but he was aware that “the most difficult part has yet to discussed”.  De Valera wrote back saying “You will have to pick him up soon on this ‘further than this we can’t go stunt” (Pakenham (1967), pg 126).

 

3.    Progress of talks

In the next almost two months, there would be seven plenary sessions; 24 sub-conferences and 9 meetings of special committees.  (In addition, there were nine informal interviews between Tom Jones and Arthur Griffith – sometimes accompanied by Collins or Duggan.) 

 

4.       Preparedness and Experience of the Two Delegations.

Fanning contrasts the not just the level of experience of the two negotiating teams but also their preparedness. With regards the latter, Fanning notes that “The length and intensity of the [British] cabinet’s debate on Irish policy between May and September 1921 was a great source of strength to the British delegation and above all to Llyod George” (Fanning (2013), pg 272).  This internal debate meant that the British side had a clear idea of its position and what it was willing to offer.  Their position was given in the proposals sent to de Valera on July 20th and they deviated from them little in the following three months of negotiations.  (Their position was summarised Tom Jones as granting Dominion status to southern Ireland with all sorts of powers, but no Navy, no hostile tariffs and no coercion on Ulster.) 

In contrast, according to Fanning, the Irish cabinet had failed to “undertake an exercise approximating to the British cabinet’s painstaking evolution of a coherent negotiating strategy with clearly defined boundaries” (Fanning (2013), pg 273).  When they arrived in London, the Irish negotiators only had Draft Treaty A (see Oct-07-21/1) which still required much work including clauses on Northern Ireland.  It also had the hazy concept of External Association.  Therefore, the Irish side had no alternative position paper to table when, on the first morning of negotiations, the British tabled fresh copies of July 20th proposals.  Quoting Nicholas Mansergh, Fanning writes “However much amended, the basic paper at any conference is apt to determine the parameters of subsequent discussion.  This was to prove no exception.” (Fanning (2013), pg 279.)   Boyce essentially agrees with Fanning.  He wrote “the Irish delegates went to London without any counter-proposals, without a definition of their aims and without clear instructions about what their ‘fundamentals’ were” (Boyce (1972), pg 154). According to Pakenham, the advantages of the British delegation were “First their experience, and as a team their negotiating calibre. Second their unity. Llyod George directed both strategy and tactics. Certain limits had been set him by his Conservative colleagues, but they were such as the [British] House of Commons would have in any case imposed” (Pakenham (1967), pg 119).

With regards to experience, Fanning notes that “Churchill, Birkenhead and, above all, Llyod George had honed their negotiating skills at national and international level over decades” (Fanning (2013), pg 273).  For example, at the Versailles Peace Conference. In contrast, “Revolutionaries on the run, such as Collins, or [often] imprisoned, as was Griffith … had no remotely comparable experience” (Fanning (2013), pg 273).  Adding to their inexperience was de Valera’s puzzling decision not to lead the Irish negotiating team – See Fanning (2013), pgs 275-276.

As they did not have a clear and worked out position, Curran and Pakenham say that Sinn Féin’s strategy was to show a genuine desire for agreement and dispose of as many troublesome details as possible before arguing basic principles.  See Pakenham (1967), pg 122.

For pen pictures of the British delegation see Pakenham (1967), pgs 104-110. For pen pictures of the Irish delegation see Pakenham (1967), pgs 110-114. For pen pictures of the secretaries to the delegations see Pakenham (1967), pgs 114-119.

 

5.    Personal Relations during the Negotiations

With regards to personal relations during the Treaty negotiations, according to Curran, Griffith and Chamberlain hit it off and Llyod George and Churchill also liked Griffith.  In addition, while, at first, Griffith did not trust Llyod George, he came to have confidence in him. 

With regards to Collins, Curran says that Collins felt Chamberlain was aloof and patronising and also, initially, he did not like Churchill.  He never trusted Llyod George.  The only one to win Collins’s confidence was Birkenhead.  Again, according to Curran, Churchill was fascinated by Collins but was repelled by his association with ‘terrible deeds’.  This is somewhat odd given the much more ‘terrible deeds’ that Churchill was soon to be responsible for in the Middle East – see pgs 186-187 of Churchill’s Folly by Christopher Catherwood.  Commenting on the Amritsar massacre in the British House of Commons on July 8th 1920, Churchill said that it was an exception and “without precedent or parallel” in the history of the British empire.  However, as Satia notes “But in fact the precedents were many, and Churchill had participated in a few himself” (Satia (2020), pg 139).

Llyod George considered Duffy and Duggan as “pigeons for the plucking” and soon formed an unflattering opinion of Barton.  They reserved a particular antipathy for Childers (and, it would seem, they were joined in this by Griffith).

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